@ainmosni @rysiek +9001%

Just like #IRC & #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME will do the same for #GroupChats and #Messaging in general!

@JessTheUnstill @bohwaz @punkfairie @ajsadauskas @tomiahonen @fuchsiii

Granted, @tails_live @tails / #Tails and @torproject / #TorBrowser are propably one of the best & most battle-tested options that are useable for #TechIlliterates...

• OFC #OpenBSD + #LynxBrowser forced through #Tor would be more #secure (on paper) but we can all agree it's neither feasible nor practical to expect "#Normies" to work within a 80x25 TUI and learn #BSD.

THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

If not for being absurd then for the fact that people need to get things done!

• And it's not as if I haven't taught people how to get started, ranging from having to crash-course someone remotely via chat to hand-on #CryptoParty sessions: If it's way more complex than an AKM chances are people won't stick with it!

So you can imagine how glad I was when @thunderbird merged #Enigmail into #Thunderbird so there's no more fiddling around getting #PGP/MIME to work!

@Xeniax Totally nerdsniped :D I'd love to be a part of the study.

I don't think that #KeyServers are dead. I think they evolved into Verifying Key Servers (VKS), like the one run by a few folks from the OpenPGP ecosystem at https://keys.openpgp.org/about . More generally, I believe that #PGP / #GPG / #OpenPGP retains important use-cases where accountability is prioritized, as contrasted with ecosystems (like #Matrix, #SignalMessenger) where deniability (and Perfect Forward Secrecy generally) is prioritized. Further, PGP can still serve to bootstrap those other ecosystems by way of signature notations (see the #KeyOxide project).

Ultimately, the needs of asynchronous and synchronous cryptographic systems are, at certain design points, mutually exclusive (in my amateur estimation, anyway). I don't think that implies that email encryption is somehow a dead-end or pointless. Email merely, by virtue of being an asynchronous protocol, cannot meaningfully offer PFS (or can it? Some smart people over at crypto.stackexchange.com seem to think there might be papers floating around that can get at it: https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/9268/is-asynchronous-perfect-forward-secrecy-possible).

To me, the killer feature of PGP is actually not encryption per se. It's certification, signatures, and authentication/authorization. I'm more concerned with "so-and-so definitely said/attested to this" than "i need to keep what so-and-so said strictly private/confidential forever and ever." What smaller countries like Croatia have done with #PKI leaves me green with envy.

#survey #keyservers #pgp #encryption

PART 3 OF THE KEYSERVER STUDY

(see Part 1 here: https://mastodon.ml/@Xeniax/114273355035626553)

QUESTION 3: WHY HAVE YOU STOPPED USING KEYSERVERS

@signalapp no it's not.

• Otherwise #OrganizedCrime would choose #Signal so hard, you'd be shutdown within weeks by the #FBI and @Mer__edith would be forced to "pull a #LavaBit" and face jailtime for obstruction of justice or snitch on users!

Being a #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solution subject to #CloudAct makes you inherently vulnerable by your own choice and thus trivial to shutdown compared to real #E2EE with #SelfCustody of all the keys and true #decentralization as well as #SelfHosting (i.e. #PGP/MIME [see @delta / #deltaChat et. al.] and #XMPP+#OMEMO [see @monocles / #monoclesChat et. al.]!)

• Plus neither of those shill #Shitcoin-#Scams like #MobileCoin!

And don't even get me started on you collecting #PII (espechally #PhoneNumbers) for no valid reason, (thus violating #GDPR & #BDSG)...

• Not to mention relying ob #charity and being a #VCmoneyBurningParty isn't sustainable to begin with!

But yeah, I'll be patient to shout "#ToldYaSo" to your annoying cult of fanboys!

@janet_catcus #XMPP+#PGP may be a good option if you don't want to deal with half a dozen #OMEMO keys...

@Andromxda @mollyim no it's not bs and fanboying @signalapp isn't going to change that.

If #Signal was secure it would be the #1 comms tool of organized crime...

• Yet I've only seen #TechIlliterates shill it.

Real professionals use #SelfHosting capable, fully #FLOSS'd solutions like #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO.

• Again: Demanding #PII like #PhoneNumbers and shilling a #Shitcoin-#Scam (#MobileCoin) makes Signal literally untrustworthy and if it doesn't for you then maybe your standards are just too low...

It's just me reading the room: Cuz #ComSec isn't done woth "JuSt UsE sIgNaL!" and everyone who claims so without pointing out #OpSec, #InfoSec & #ITsec is BSing hard.

• The cold hard truth is that #TechLiteracy is irreplaceable and the only solution to it is to actually teach normies how to "get gud" with stuff like PGP.

Fortunatelty, @thunderbird and @tails_live / @tails / #Tails and many other tools make that easier than ever before.

• So rather than vomiting insults against my intellect in my mentions, go to the next @cryptoparty@mastodon.earth / #Cryptoparty / @cryptoparty@chaos.social and lend a hand.

@walkinglampshade @jrredho @fj It's basic #InfoSec, really:

• @signalapp has no "#LegitimateInterest" to demand #PII like a #PhoneNumber and they use and abuse that to restrict functionality of their App (it doesn't matter that they merely claim "comply with #sanctions" [their #MobileCoin #Shitcoin #Scam disqalifies them even more!] because they have the tech to distinguish and discriminate users)...

Thus #Signal fails at protevting #Journalists and theor sources because they do have that data and can be #subopena'd for it if they don't already provide #BulkSurveillance & #LawfulInterception #API|s to comply with #CloudAct. (Or are you guys so naive and believe @Mer__edith will risk dying of old age in jail for non-paying users?)

• This entire "thread vector" just doesn't exist with #XMPP+#OMEMO nor #PGP/MIME!

And if you believe "this won't ne used/abused me because I'm from 'Murica!" and point at #ANØM as an example, then you really ignored all tze #Cyberfacism since 9/11…

@froge @fj I'm not replacing @signalapp with "random tools" but good options.

Like @delta & @thunderbird as well as @monocles / #monoclesChat & @gajim which work flawlessly over @torproject / #Tor using @tails / @tails_live / #Tails and @guardianproject / #Orbot respectably.

• Also these allow not only #SelfHosting but just work and I'd highly recommend #monocles as a hoster which finances iself by users paying and allows #anonymous accoubts & payments including not just #Monero but also #CashByMail!

Considering the costs of even acquiring and upkeeping an #anonymous #SIM, I'd rather pay €2 p.m. for #XMPP+#OMEMO and #PGP/MIME-supported #eMail with the option of self-custody than $2,50+ p.m. just to keep a phone number.

• Plus I don't run around with a #tracking device that could be used to #deanonymize me any second...

Or is anyone here expecting @Mer__edith to risk jail for life amd not comply with #CloudAct?

• If #Signal was as secure as advertised, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat and #SkyECC!

It stenches like #ANØM, because NOTHING IS FOR FREE and running a #VCmoneyBurningParty is expensive...

@fj I still think @signalapp has fundamental flaws like demanding #PII (#PhoneNumbers can't be obtained anonymously around the globe and are trivial to track down to devices and thus users), being subject to #CloudAct as an unnecessary & 100% avoidable risk as well as #Shitcoin-#Scam shilling (#MobileCoin) and it's #proprietary, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider nature that makes it inferior to real #E2EE with #SelfCustody like #PGP/MIME & #XMPP+#OMEMO!

@osman If your #OpSec, #InfoSec, #ComSec and/or #ITsec relies on @signalapp and/or @Mer__edith risking jail or worse, you fucked up!

• If #Signal was secure, it would've been shutdown like #EncroChat & #SkyECC.

Seriously, to me #Signal stenches #Honeypot like #ANØM & #CryptoAG.

• All Signal fans do is #FUD #PGP/MIME and#XMPP+#OMEMO which are truly #decentralized and allow real #SelfHosting as well as #SelfCustody for complete control of all the data and keys...

That's why I get people setup with it!

@ip6li @heiseonline @briar und natürlich #XMPP+#OMEMO sowie #PGP/MIME.

IMHO ist @signalapp eh nen #Honeypot!